So I have been toying with this idea for awhile, and today seemed like a good day to get it started. I want to mix in, between articles, blog posts, music, etc, some hand history review. This should be a fun way to look over some old hands, learn a bit, and LOL at some old results and lines. So let’s take a look at this old hand with 76s, where a common turn issue comes up that doesn’t allow me to max value in the hand.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold’em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) – Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com
MP2 ($50.50)
CO ($50.80)
Button ($51.90)
SB ($40.90)
BB ($53.45)
UTG ($46)
Hero (UTG+1) ($55.50)
MP1 ($14.50)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6
, 7
1 fold, Hero bets $1, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $2, 3 folds, Hero calls $1, MP1 calls $1Flop: ($6.75) A
, 6
(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $2, Hero calls $2, MP1 calls $2Turn: ($12.75) 6
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $3.50, Hero raises to $13.40, MP1 calls $10.50 (All-In), CO calls $9.90River: ($50.05) 3
Hero bets $33.40, 1 foldTotal pot: $50.05 | Rake: $2.45
That was the original hand. It probably seems odd that I minR’d from EP, but I do this with a wide range of hands (SCs, PPs, big hands, etc) dependent on table conditions. I get pretty much min 3b by the CO (25/12 over 45hands), which is awesome because he is giving me awesome odds when it comes back to me. So I call, and end up seeing a 3way flop OOP.
I catch a weak pair, so I check, MP1 checks, and CO makes a smallish CB (about 1/3 pot). I think his hand is probably about TT+/AQ+, and I peel thinking I have good implied odds if I improve to either my 7 or 6. Surprisingly, MP1 peels as well, and I am OOP on a very awesome 6 turn.
Now, this is where i disagree with my line.
Turn: ($12.75) 6
Hero checks
I really want to be betting here. The fact that CO just min3b me pf allows me to believe he probably is not a very thinking player. And the fact that the MP1 is a shortstacker, I can assume the same about him. Here, is a great spot to bet, trap a bet in from MP1, and allow the pot to get bigger while gluing in both stacks. I like a bet of $8.6 here. If MP1 calls, and CO calls, it leaves a nice ~$40 pot with about $38 back effective between Hero and CO. Also, checking doesn’t really encourage CO to fire with anything less than AQ…so a check is only keeping the pot smaller when we want it to be huge.
Given the nature of the smaller sized pf sizes, it is very hard to get stacks in the middle. And when we come across a hand like this, it can be frustrating because we don’t get stacks often. But, in a given strategy, it can be much more profitable to create smaller 20bb-50bb pots regularly, and sacrifice a little return on your huge hands. (volume + good ROI > rare + great ROI).
Happy discussing =)
*SS*
The flop call seems to me to be a wrong play since you are conceding his range has you beat. I know you stated that you are calling for implied odds, which I can understand. This of course is from a fairly new player.
My first question is how often would you just fold that after his flop bet, if he bet half pot are you done?
Under what conditions would you raise his flop in hopes of taking it down, or is that never really a good idea?
If you miss hitting a 6/7 on the turn but pick up a flush draw how strong/passive would you play it?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
1.) well it’s actually a tough call. there is probably limited IO if he has a hand like QQ, where I def don’t get stacks if/when i improve. 1/2pot is probably as big as I call up to. getting 3:1 immediate, with about 17:1 total w/ IO…is good to go for me
2.) hardly ever. it is a bluff play if i do, and i think my ROI when calling is much higher than if i CR.
3.) that is rly a math problem if that happens. see if i have PO+IO
Hope that helps =)
*SS*
If you lead the turn and MP1 calls its very doubtful that the other one would have called unless he had the combo club draw of AJ+, IMO. You are reppin a huge hand…..
I put shortie on AQ.
I think you won more money the way you played it than if you would have led the turn, IMO.
Am I anywhere close in what I am thinking?
CO is 25/12…why are we giving him credit for being able to consider the strength of my hand? players are dumb until proven otherwise.
he might even overcall with KK/QQ sometimes, but most certainly will never fold an A here. hence why i think donk>CR
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well if he did have an A he was able to find a fold on the river, when a blank fell.
25/12 over 45 isnt that terrible……. oh this was on ‘Stars so he must have been a fish if he was in VPIP of 20′s
I guess he had KK or QQ and was praying to hit his 2 outer on the river.
hard to say what his hand was given the river fold. but he def will call two bets with an A. however, the CR is super strong, so he might have folded due to that.
and yes, this was on PS, so 20+vpip is loooose =)
*SS*
I def. don’t like the flop call, if this was a HU pot I would turbo call (or raise) facing such a small CB(relative to the size of the pot) but when your in a multi-way pot, out of position that includes a SS that can squeeze a large range which than forces us to fold it becomes -EV imo.
Im pretty sure the SS isn’t squeezing here much. based on his line pf, he rly only squeezes here if he has a set, which, o well. this is a great spot to call imo because all of my improvement cards are nonRIO and the turn is easy either way
*SS*